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No, it is not built in. You are dreaming. Without ISI or other peopleproviding servers you end up with offline racing.
Simple as that and itwill be the same for any platform using dedicated servers.Ifyou really think that something like that will not happen in AC or PC,then you are really naive, except Kunos or SMS disable the PW function.I’ve seen alot of MP races for PC and it was much more of a mess with afew exceptions to the rule. In this case you need active administrationand it makes league racing a mess when random people join throughout therace session. The PW function is there for good reasons.Peoplepay alot of money to get the good MP infastructure that you get inIRacing, without any mods though and that for a good reason aswellbecause of mismatches.
People will need to pay more money, when theywant to have a server that is powerfull enough and when they are notcomfortable with the current situation, nobody is forcing them to acceptit.People have every right to lock servers that theypay for. If you want to race you have to take what you can get or rentyour own server and do it better. Joining a league is another option. 1)You told me that I don’t warrant a discussion, and yet you do not hold unto your word and menalie told me as well that it is not worth replying me and still she is going for it.
Stick to your principles otherwise your points come across as empty promisses.2) That point doesn’t make any sense at all, but please figure it out for yourself.“Ultim8rF2defndr”: I would have expected a bit more from a moderator than name calling people, especialy when I didn’t say anything about rF2 itself, but more about the topic of PWed servers in general. PWed servers have obvious pros and cons that I explained in my post. Sorry for the remark about being naive or that you are dreaming, but the point itself still stands.You can find PWed servers not only in simracing and my experience with them is as explained. 1) That makes no sense at all on various levels.You claimed I ran out of arguments and so I responded to show you that I didn’t (regardless of your opinion of that).I gave no word to hold onto so I hope I didn’t disappoint you too much.Nor was it a principle to stick to but even if it was, whether I stick to it or not does not affect how my points come across.You’re just arguing for the sake of it and ending up with utter nonsense.2) I think it is you who can’t figure it out so you need me to do it for you.
“If my nickname or post history is really the thing that matters, then why do you guys post a news at all?” is what you said. Insinuating that your nickname has some bearing on the posting of ‘news’. THAT is what makes no sense.Giving you a playful nickname is hardly name calling and you have to admit it is rather fitting going by your posting history which has been 95% on rFactor2. I don’t really care what your expectations of a moderator are either.
If you had any respect for the ‘moderator’ moniker we wouldn’t be having this conversation, so lets not go down that path.I had no intention of being dragged into a debate about passworded servers and multiplayer in’s and out’s. I care very little about it.My initial post on the matter was “Why can’t you be uncomfortable with the situation and not have to spendmoney to rent a server? That’s an extreme especially when it’s already all built into the software.”The question was saying that you can be uncomfortable with the situation of MP lobbies without having to be told to go rent a server. I merely asked for your take on that. By being ‘built-in’ I meant the ability to multiplay.People should be able to go online and pick up races without having to rent a server just because they can’t get a decent race. The question should be why aren’t there any decent pick-up races on MP. If you find one that isn’t empty and has more than 5 people thats using a mod/track that you like then good luck to ya.
Then good luck that it won’t be full of people who wreck into turn 1.Committing to a league shouldn’t be the answer. So many people harp on about MP yet rF2’s lobby is no better than rF1’s when it comes to empty servers and locked ones. In rF2’s case I blame it’s lack of appeal for many sim-racers and also it’s lack of content.How to solve the problem? Well it’s not for me to come up with the answers.
I’m don’t MP as much as the average sim-racer so the whole thing affects me less.I don’t care if I get anywhere complaining or not (not that I was!!!). Because you keep debating it with me and because I can.As I said I wasn’t going to debate it until you unfathomly responded to my straight-forward initial post with a lecture on multiplayer.Not having a solution and telling you that I think you’re wrong are two different things altogether. What you hear is maybe what you choose to hear rather than actually what there is.This lazy attitude you speak of has nothing to do with me as I never said or insinuated anything of that kind.And you are right in one thing. It isn’t my responsibility to change it. Totally out of my hands. If I rented a server it wouldn’t change anything.Are you always twisting things just to suit your argument or do you just not understand written English that well?.
Right, renting the server alone doesn’t change anything. I am glad that we have a point that we can agree on.
It will stay empty if you don’t administrate it. I don’t need to twist anything, because I have enough experience of admining a server on my own and I simply know what it takes. Yes, it takes money and yes it takes alot of effort and time on the user side aswell.Want to have a proof?Something like this doesn’t happen out of nowhere and just because there are some servers in the lobby. It happens because like minded people who have certain expectations invest alot of time and money to do proper advertisment, renting powerful enough servers and organizing everything.The point still stays: you can still whine here on vR how difficult it is to get on a server and race instead of making an effort at all.We will see how it turns out in the future to be continued.Have a nice day 😉. Yeah it it funny and it says a lot about the person and in your case probably the intent.For you though I would have gone with Ultim8rF2defndr.Well don’t flatter yourself too much, I doubt a ban for you would affect anything negatively here except for loads of people not having headaches with you droning on at them like you know it all.Anyway I never mentioned anything about banning so I think you’re being a bit premature on that one. But hey, there’s time yet.The question I did ask you, you didn’t answer. You just droned on about a whole lot of other stuff and made some presumptions along the way not to mention putting words in my mouth.
In fact the first and third sentences of your post were all you needed. But it seems, like me, you are not one for small posts.The day I run out of argument is the day the pope becomes an atheist. I just can’t be doing with people like you who think they know it all and feel they have to defend every single point about their favourite sim as if they have the largest amount of stock in the company.I don’t think you understood what I meant when I said ‘built-in’ and maybe I explained it badly but you never gave that a chance to flesh out in a proper discussion. You just decided I was dreaming instead.Then you called me naive on something that YOU brought up! How does that work??
I never even mentioned AC and pCARS. So that whole thing was uncalled for.You seem to think that MP is a case of ‘like it or rent your own server’. I think you’re wrong. It’s an option but it shouldn’t be one that you have to do. RF2 MP is currently the way it is for various reasons and I`ll bet you it’s popularity in it’s current state is one of them.
He is the moderator of this site here, so he can basicly do what he wants to do. The problem is that he called me a Ultim8rF2defndr or fanboy, call it how ever you want. But it had zero to do with my intitial post at all and why I replied do Pastor. He just picked that point that I like rF2, to start an argument. Is the level of news coverage really that poor here that a moderator has to pick on people who have a different opinion?
Wim on bsimracing seemed to be more matured and I had a good discussion with him, though we had different opinions.Please take this as critical feedback F1Racer, it might help to improve your website.Yeah, I am a fanboy of passworded server support and active server administration and I am a hater of people complaining about how bad everything is without doing any effort to improve their situation. I will give him that point. If I want to have a proper race with my friends in AC, I will lock a server that I rented. Am I a AC fanboy now? I just signed up for rf2 online so I could race the new ISI Jr Karts. I can almost smell the burning rubber and race fuel with that sim it’s so good and the AI is really good I just had to give ISI some more of my money. In the last week I found about 2 or 3 races with more then 6 people in it for this particular sim but only during the day.
(West cost time zone) it’s almost enough for me but I also just signed up for iracing and if only ISI can implement the same kind of system with safety rating and liscencing with more people I would be happier driving the rF2 cars. G27 and G25 are the same wheel aren’t they?I agree that the G27 has less internal resistance than the T500, the G27 has almost none, you can throw it around 180degrees whereas the T500 you would struggle to throw it 90deg.But I disagree with almost everything else. The internal resistance bear no effect on the FFB output response time since you are holding the wheel and in turn are directly connected to the motor, internal resistance doesnt mean anything when the wheel itself isn’t even moving. By damping I presume you mean the belt drive, this is a definite plus as it removes the coggy, rattly feeling that G27’s have (nothing against the G27, I used it for 2 years, i’m just stating facts).Don’t get me wrong the G27 is a fine wheel and a definite step up from my first wheel the DFGT. But the T500 is on a whole other level, the feeling from the T500 is nothing like the G27 (whereas the DFGT and G27 are similar,) but the T500 feels a bit more realistic and lot more confidence giving. I am sure servo wheels are even better, but the fact remains that the T500 is on another level to the G27, if you disagree then I think more testing is required.
Here’s what I wrote in ISI forums about the bsimracing.com postMeh. My only reaction is who is Wix? Is he the guy who runs bsimracing? If not, then it is unclear from the website what this write-up is? Letter to the editor type of thing? Can anyone write this kind of stuff and have it published on bsimracing?
It features very prominantly like a front page ‘story’ so from a journalistic perspective at best their is no basic journalistic integrity to any of this so might as well be any yahoo on any forum.The sad truth with this is that the vast majority of people have very poor criticial thinking ability and thus are quick to accept what they see as credible. Worse, people with questionable motives prey on this and present information like this without any form of discipline, peer review or fact checking.Gamer Muscle’s video is hard to watch because it is so clearly and troll full of insincere and poorly conceived back-handed compliments that he either doesn’t even care whether people see right through this, knows is in taking advantage of people who can’t see through it and/or really doesn’t even know he’s doing it.Also his knowledge of rF2 is clearly limited. He thinks Mores is a fictional track. He, like other arcade gamers, never get to the meat of anything and would rather post video after video instead of following rF2 closely enough to understand it’s amazing rewards to those who understand it.It’s actually funny now that I think of it. There is so much noise with all the sims and news and teasers and poorly-conceived videos is any of these guys knew how to drive and coukd sit still long enough to make a sincere and serious effort at league participation with serious testing, practice and strategy they would certainly shut up and begin actually sim racing. Problem is they, and much of their clearly vulnerable viewers don’t understand one bit about reward coming from effort.
They want instant titillation of their delusional self-image and will never experience any deeper than a quick fix which likely extends to every aspect of their pathetic shallow lives.In Gamer Muscle’s case, one need look no further than how he handled himself in here recently and the fact that he is in here at all because he is clearly not in here to understand anything about rF2. I still feel you fail to see the question within the article.
You also fail to try and share your view regarding that question. You are a big rFactor 2 fan. Well here is the surprise.
I like it to, and want to see it succeed. But that is besides the question. Why is it not as popular as the alternative titles? You can shoot me for popping the question, but it is an interesting topic. Rf2 does not seem to be that popular with the mianstream racer. Specialy in the public servers. I posted an article with a question.
You filled up two websites with comments, without answering that question. “Why is it not as popular as alternative titles?” Where do you get this from? Yes IRacing and rF1 are still more popular. But that doesn’t explain the remarks about AC or PC wich don’t even feautre a public MP at all.“Rf2 does not seem to be that popular with the mainstream racer”Why don’t you ask the question like that?
The article and the video are about completely different questions and points.There are three different questions in that artice:“Is rF2 a ghost town?”“Is rF2 multyplayer alive”“Why the heck is such a small majority using it?”Nothing about the question of accesibilty for mainstream racers. Everything that you explained sofar doesn’t fit into the context of that article or video. Personally i feel Wims WSGT mod in rF2 would have been far more embraced had it been content that was not already in rF2. I know they started the model way before ISI and the model is fantastic, but unfortunately it’s still something everyone had been racing already for the last year.
Physics are ISI physics AFAIK and so nothing really new to learn. At the same time the article is right, the rF2 community is small right now.If you want online public racing well really iRacing is untouchable like really. Rf2 will always be a league based simulation, if you want the best from it then you will look to league race it, it was the same in rF1.Also just something to ponderI recently made use of a renewal code with iRacing after 2 years away.
I can not tell you how different that sim is now, it is simply fantastic, i can not wait to race the GT3’s this week at Zolder, really excited for the first time about a sim online. Graphics, sounds and in the case of the RUF fantastic physics that match anything AC or rF2 has right now, It’s evolved so muchSo really all these sims go through fazes, iRacing used to get exactly the same crap rF2 is getting now and look how it has evolved, Racetroom had it last year, this is the nature of constant evolving sims, ISI seriously do need to up their game though big time. Not digging it right now, well, then move on and race something else instead of bitching and making attention seeking videos.
Never a better time right now, you have AC, iRacing and GSC and also RaceRoom that is slowly really maturing now. I couldn’t have said it any better.
I looked for some info in Wix, to give him the benefit of the doubt. I couldn’t find any sort of profile, only a nickname he hides behind. A lot of review sites and individuals doing reviews lack any sort of integrity. Look This Week In Sim Racing- they review a product and they accept advertising in the same episode from that same product! In the case of Wix it is even worse because we can’t see much of him at all.
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I don’t think he has any sort of agenda, but I do think he’s clueless and shallow. Only issues I have with rF2’s multiplayer (aside from most servers being passworded) is the few that aren’t passworded run custom series and force you to either go to the servers website to get their mods or they have 20 circuits in the track rotation, making the “Get Mod” feature useless because you’ll be waiting a couple hours for all the tracks to download. But that’s not an rFactor 2 issue, that’s people not knowing how to run servers properly, and, unfortunately there’s far too many open servers like this to encourage people to jump in and play. How long has rF2 Beta been out.? What people have to understand the anonymous article writer (he hides behind a nickname, calling to question his integrity) doesn’t understand is that if you want the rF2 experience a video or screenshot won’t do it. It’s about the racing, so you have to go and race it to get it.
In this inane “article” he doesn’t get what that makes rF2 so good. It’s not pubby racing- go to iRacing for that. It’s not pretty graphics- go to Grid/Forza/Codematers etc for that. It’s for league racing and organized event racing. So of course the lobby doesn’t have 1000’s of drivers on open servers, of course you need to get the mods to race. It’s about QUALITY over quantity. You may find few races out there, but they are going to be the best racing you can find.
“Those that haven’t purchased life time version have told me they have no intention of renewing” So you have spoken to every person who didn’t buy lifetime and every one confirmed this to you?Forgive me if I find this hard to believe. As I didn’t buy lifetime, and have never mentioned this to you.
Also, I will be renewing.One year subscription? I paid for RF2 on the day it was released, or there abouts, (Must be nearly 2 and a half years ago) and haven’t had to sink another penny into it since.Put the shovel down, luv. That hole is getting mighty deep. If I post my name for 1,000’s of dummies to see everything Isay will be righteous and integrity filled statements.
UnlessI am getting paid as a product advertiser I am not publicly going to beused as free advertisement. Also no less righteous orintegrity then the stooges that use there names working for companies totell lies to us all on a daily basis.How is this for integrityanyone that wants to play or spend there time playing whatever theywant with there money can do that. As well as have an opinion.While I do not play Iracing and have not for several years, Iracing even in it’s early form still 100% more user and UI friendly then ANY gmotorbased game including rf1/ gtr/gtr2/ race on and especially more userfriendly then RF2. That is coming from a person that has had hugedisagreements with Iracing’s early price and penalizing systems. (bothmoving to a more friendly direction imho, just from observing).RF2 for me is a beta still, a ton of work needed still and the work as the average user see’s is improvements at a snails pace.The servers are empty because RF2 is not better then rf1, possibly worse,it is a pain in the ass to set up races and mods and on top of thatit took 6 years to make something actually worse. I still play rf1 5or 6 times a month but, rf2 I can’t be bothered.I approvethis post! (hope no offense Guy, because I mean none, anyways it should not matter anyway because I don’t use a proper name right?
If I post my name for 1,000’s of dummies to see everything Isay will be righteous and integrity filled statements. UnlessI am getting paid as a product advertiser I am not publicly going to beused as free advertisement. Also no less righteous orintegrity then the stooges that use there names working for companies totell lies to us all on a daily basis.How is this for integrityanyone that wants to play or spend there time playing whatever theywant with there money can do that.
As well as have an opinion.While I do not play Iracing and have not for several years, Iracing even in it’s early form still 100% more user and UI friendly then ANY gmotorbased game including rf1/ gtr/gtr2/ race on and especially more userfriendly then RF2. That is coming from a person that has had hugedisagreements with Iracing’s early price and penalizing systems. (bothmoving to a more friendly direction imho, just from observing).RF2 for me is a beta still, a ton of work needed still and the work as the average user see’s is improvements at a snails pace.The servers are empty because RF2 is not better then rf1, possibly worse,it is a pain in the ass to set up races and mods and on top of thatit took 6 years to make something actually worse. I still play rf1 5or 6 times a month but, rf2 I can’t be bothered.I approve this post! (hope no offense Guy, because I mean none, anyways it should not matter anyway because I don’t use a proper name right? the way many people expected as many big time rFactor modding teams have not (yet) made the jump to the new platform.have no idea what ppl are expecting for?
All their wishes to be satisfied? The sim is good as it is with the cars. If you feel them slipping go learn how to deal with setups. Already did that? Not enough – go again. All those ‘expecting’ ppl just kill everything at very early start.and Game Stock Car is not a competitor for rF2.
RF1 based mod game looks funny with 2 ppl online and 1 passworded server of a private league. Whatever perfect cars behavior been made (Niels and Co rule – no discussion here). Sim racing has moved on apace since the original rFactor title. At the time of its release there was little competition for a truly moddable sim and, in fairness, we all enjoyed a golden period of freeware add ons on reasonably universal platform. Looking back however, the AI in rF1 was/is very flawed, which kind of put a glass ceiling on the enjoyment/usability level for predominantly offline races like me. RF2 could have gained a real head start on the ever more crowded pack of competing sims, but its roll out has never struck me, at least, as being a very co-ordinated affair and I confess to being at a complete loss as to exactly where it is in its development cycle.This apparent lack of focus definitely extends to multiplayer.
IRacing’s business model addresses all the needs of the offline racer and I honestly think that until ISI promotes a similar platform, it will always be the ugly sister to its most illustrious competitor.All that being said, one can definitely say that it is improving in leaps and bounds in many areas and probably has the best feature set of any sim out there. It just all seems so disjointed and ad hoc.
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You took the words out of my mouth, I’ve always played games offline more, and was eventually left quite disappointed with rfactor1. It didn’t help I had a lot of problem connecting to even the simplest of online races.But I also agree with the current status of rF2 (and in fact AC too), to me it feels like I should wait until it is more developed, but I’ve been feeling this way for maybe the last 2 years since its initial release? Which is a bit odd when I consider that I feel iRacing is more complete when they too add new features/development all the time. Please keep in mind that IRacings initial relase was in 2008.
They also just concentrated on the multyplayer and a closed structure. They simply had and have much less stuff to focus on. They never had to think about buggy HDR, dumb AI, modding tools or what ever.Lets just wait and see how the different sims will be like after the same time span. You could call newer sims too ambitious from time to time. But on the other hand it is what makes watching the development interesting: the breaching of boundaries. It sucks that in rF2 you have to memorize tracks to stay on track. This isn’t something you have to do in real life.
In real life you just over drive the front tires on your out lap and it just sticks. П˜›Anyways, here are some stats for online usage of rF2. This is the total online users of all servers combined.
Not a ton but you can see there is clearly a popular time of the day. Note the times are in GMT-4. It’s growing as more and more leagues are finally retiring rF1:That chart shows the past 3days. You can go here to see other intervals.